One of the
interesting things about Hyper-Protestantism, which is distinguished from the
Protestantism of the Magisterial Reformation by its opposition to and rejection
of what is Catholic, that is to say, belonging to the faith, religion, tradition,
and practice held since the earliest centuries by all the ancient Churches
descended organically from the Church of Jerusalem, rather than merely the
errors distinctive to the Roman Church that sparked the Reformation, is its
obsession with Marian doctrine. Hyper-Protestants often act as if
they thought Rome's teaching with regards to Mary is her most serious error
rather than the soteriological issues at the heart of the Reformation.
At some point in the future I plan, if the Lord so wills, to show how the
English and Lutheran Reformers and even John Calvin held certain Marian
doctrines that would be considered "popish" by
Hyper-Protestants. For today, however, I wish to explore how this obsession with contradicting
everything Rome - and in many cases all the ancient Churches - says about Mary often
leads them into serious Christological heresy.
One person who
commented on my earlier essay "Be
a Protestant - BUT NOT A NUT!" insisted that the ancient Church was
wrong in condemning Nestorianism as a heresy. Nestorianism was
condemned in the Third Ecumenical Council, the Council of Ephesus, which took
place in 431 AD. Nestorius was the Archbishop of Constantinople at
the time. While this See had not yet been made a Patriarchate -
that would come twenty years later when St. Anatolius held the office - it had
been given the second place of honour after Rome by canon of the Second
Ecumenical Council held in Constantinople in 381 AD and was en route to
becoming the fifth See of the ancient Pentarchy. Nestorius, in
other words, was in a very influential position, making error on his part all
the more serious.
The controversy
began with the use of the term Θεοτόκος
(Theotokos) as an honourific
title for the Virgin Mary. Theotokos is Greek for
"God-bearer". In English it is generally rendered as
"Mother of God". The controversy over the title was older
than Nestorius and Nestorius entered the controversy with the intention of
being a peacemaker. He proposed that the Virgin Mary be called the
Christokos ("Christ-bearer"). Unfortunately for him, this
was one of those cases where the compromise fell on ground belonging to one of
the two sides (think of the Sunday School/Bible camp skit in which various people walk along a fence,
with God and Satan each calling them to come over to their side, some choosing
God, some Satan, until the last person, indecisively sits on the fence, only to
be claimed by Satan, the owner of the fence). By proposing the alternative
title, Nestorius sided with those who rejected Theotokos, and as a consequence
became forever associated with their ideas. Those ideas included a
serious Christological error.
Consider the
following syllogism:
Premise A: Jesus is
God.
Premise B: Mary is
the Mother of Jesus.
Therefore:
Conclusion (C):
Mary is the Mother of God.
This is a valid
syllogism, meaning that if the premises are true the conclusion must be true as
well, and so the conclusion cannot be rejected on the grounds of logical
invalidity. Those who reject the conclusion, therefore, must argue
against the truth of either the Major or the Minor Premise. They
generally do not want to argue against the Major Premise by denying the deity
of Jesus Christ. Therefore they try to argue against the Minor
Premise, that Mary is the Mother of Jesus.
Now, obviously they
try to do so in a more subtle way than by an outright denial that would make
them sound completely stupid. What they try to do is to separate
Jesus' human nature from His Person. "Mary is the mother only
of Jesus' human nature" they say.
Do you see what
they have done there?
In saying that Mary
is the mother only of Jesus human nature they want you to think of His human
nature in opposition to His divine nature. That way they can come
across as standing up for the truth against some unnamed heresy that says that
Jesus got His divine nature from His human mother. There is a
reason, however, that this heresy is unnamed. Nobody has ever taught
it. Nobody who calls Mary the Theotokos or the Mother of God thinks
these terms mean that Mary was prior to God, that Jesus derives His deity from
her, that she is the Mother of the Father or the Holy Ghost or any other such
stupid things that opponents of these terms read into them.
Unnecessarily guarding against an error that nobody teaches is an easy
way of falling into error yourself. This is exactly what has
happened here.
In actuality, when
they say that Mary is the mother only of Jesus' human nature, this is not as
opposed to her being the mother of His divine nature, but as opposed to her
being the Mother of Jesus the Person. Mother is a relational
term. It denotes how one person relates to another.
This is its primary use and meaning, and any implications it may have
about the "nature" of either mother or child are entirely secondary.
By the reasoning
the opponents of Theotokos use they should also be claiming that God the Father
is not the Father of Jesus but only of His divine nature. They do
not usually say this, however, because the huge flaw in the argument is a bit
more obvious when worded this way.
With other human
beings a mother and father each contribute half of the genes their child
inherits. Each could, therefore, be said to contribute half of the
child's nature, at least in its physical aspects - I don't wish to get into the
ancient theological debate between Tertullian's traducianism and St. Jerome's
creationism (of each individual's soul not of the world), now, maybe some other
time. We would never say, however, that someone's father is not
that person's father but only the father of half of his genes, nor would we say
such a thing, mutatis mutandis, about his mother. A father is the
father of his son as a whole person, not just the part of his son he
contributed. A mother is the mother of her daughter as a whole
person, not just the part she contributed.
Now with Jesus we
do not have a case of His Father contributing half of His genetic material and
His Mother contributing the other half.
Jesus is One Person, with Two Natures, Fully God and Fully Man. His divine nature comes entirely from His
Father. His human nature comes from His
Mother. This, however, does not mean
that what we have just said about a father being the father of his child as a
whole person, and a mother being the mother of her child as a whole person,
rather than each being merely the father and mother of what they have
contributed to their child does not apply with regards to Jesus. Those who claim otherwise, seem to think it
is sufficient to point to Jesus’ uniqueness as the Only Person born of a
Virgin, or the Only Person with two natures, divine and human, and say see,
Mary is mother only of His human nature not of Him as a Person, as if such a
conclusion somehow inevitably followed from these observations. This is not,
however, a conclusion that logically, inevitably, or naturally follows from
Jesus’ being unique in these ways.
One objection that
was raised that requires an answer is the following from someone posting under
the name “Jason Anderson”. He writes:
How can a mother of a pre-existent being be the mother
of the personality that always existed? She can't.
Jesus was, of course, pre-existent. Indeed, He is eternal. He had no beginning. There never was a moment before He
existed. The problem with drawing Mr. Anderson’s
conclusion from this is that if his reasoning were sound it would also work
against God being the Father of Jesus.
If Someone Who is pre-existent, Someone Who is eternal, Someone to Whom
there is no “before”, cannot have a Mother, neither can He have a Father. God the Father, however, is the Father of
Jesus. Furthermore, He is the Father of
Jesus not merely by adoption, as the Adoptionist heresy would have, much less
the Father of Jesus by creation, since Jesus is uncreated. Jesus is the “Only-Begotten” Son of the
Father, that is to say, the natural Son of the Father, the Son Who has the same
nature as His Father which He gets from His Father. Since both Father and Son are co-eternal,
this does not mean the Father is temporally prior to the Son. Theologically we refer to the way Jesus is
begotten of the Father as “Eternal Generation”. Unlike with a human father and a human son,
the begetting or generation is not a moment in time to which there was a before
when only the father and not the son existed, but is the eternal relationship
between Father and Son.
Now, before you raise the
objection that Jesus’ relationship with Mary is not like this, that it had a
beginning in time, that Jesus is eternal and Mary a created being, allow me to
say that my argument is not that Jesus’ relationship to His Mother is identical
to His relationship with His Father, obviously it is not, but rather my
argument is that if a pre-existent, indeed, eternal Person can have a Father in
this one way, eternal generation, then it is possible for the same
pre-existent, eternal Person to have a Mother in another way. That way, of course, is by Incarnation. Jesus, the eternal Son of God, became Man by
taking human nature and permanently uniting it to His Own eternal divine
nature. He did so, not by entering
someone and taking possession of their body, but through the miraculous
conception wrought by the Holy Ghost.
As St. Ambrose - and later John Francis Wade - put it, He “abhorred not
the Virgin’s womb”. He entered this
world as Man, in other words, by being born into it. By doing so, He Who was and is eternal,
gained a Mother. The Mother-Son
relationship here is unique in that the Son existed before the Mother, not in
that the Mother is Mother only of one of her Son’s natures rather than of her
Son Himself. The first uniqueness, the
one that is actually true of Jesus’ relationship with the Virgin Mary, is a
mystery. The second is an absolute
absurdity.
In addition to the
thought-provoking question just addressed, Mr. Anderson provides us with a
further illustration of the extremes to which the fanatical, anti-Catholicism
of the Hyper-Protestant can take one. He
claims that Jesus “disowned” Mary three times.
Now, before looking at the
passages he points to in order to back up this claim and seeing how he twists
these Scriptures I am going to point out the gross Christological and
Soteriological heresy he has committed by making this claim. Jesus is both God and Man. As Man, He is Perfect Man. He is the Second Adam, Who succeeded where
the first Adam failed. He “was in all
points tempted like as we are, yet without sin” (Heb. 4:15). His sinlessness is essential to His being
our Saviour. “For he hath made him to
be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God
in him.” (2 Cor. 5:21) “For
Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might
bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit”
(1 Pet. 3:18). If Jesus disowned Mary,
however, He broke the Fifth Commandment.
That would mean that He was not without sin, and could not be our
Saviour. Mr. Anderson, by taking his anti-Catholic
fanaticism so far as to try to throw dirt on Mary because Rome gives her too
much honour ended up throwing dirt on Jesus and committing soul-damning heresy
in the process.
His attempt to back up this
claim from Scripture demonstrates his “exegesis” – it is really eisegesis, the
reading into a text of ideas that are not there – to be as bad as his
theology. The three occasions are the
Wedding at Cana in the second chapter of St. John’s Gospel, the account of
Jesus’ identification of those who do the will of God as His mother and
brethren at the end of the third chapter of St. Mark’s Gospel, and when He
passed Mary into St. John’s care on the Cross in the nineteenth chapter of St.
John’s Gospel. In his interpretation
of the second of these, the one from St. Mark’s Gospel, Mr. Anderson attempts
to guard against the obvious conclusion of his claim by providing a “justification”
of Jesus’ “disowning” His Mother. Even if, however, we accepted his interpretation
of these events, it would not work as such a justification. One of the examples of these supposed
disownings took place prior to the events of Mark 3. The Wedding at Cana took place before Jesus
began His public ministry after the arrest of John the Baptist. The events at the end of Mark 3 take place
after the ordination and first commissioning of the Twelve Apostles earlier in
that chapter which took place after His public ministry was underway.
There is no disowning in any
of these passages. Jesus’ words at the
end of Mark 3 are for the sake of the multitude He was addressing. He doesn’t say anything, positive or
negative, about His biological relatives.
He asks who His mother and brethren are, then answers by pointing to His
disciples, and saying that these are His mother and brethren, and that whoever
does the will of God is His brother, sister, and mother. This is an ecclesiological statement. The Church is the family of God is what He
is saying here. Mr. Anderson bases his
interpretation of this on the fact that the occasion of Jesus’ saying this was
His Mother and brethren having come and sent for Him. Earlier in the chapter, in verse 21, we read
that “when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they
said, He is beside himself” and while this might be referring to the people of
Nazareth in general it is not unreasonable to see the visit of Mary and His
brethren as the unfolding of this. If
that is the case, however, most reasonable people would look at this and in the
parlance of our day call it a misguided intervention. No such action was needed, but it was done
out of love. Mr. Anderson, however,
calls it a “kidnapping plot” and a “gubpowder (sic) plot”, “treachery” and an “attempt
to be Judas before the time of Judas”, basically a
violent criminal conspiracy against Jesus, that would justify His disowning
them. This, however, comes from his own
twisted mind. It is not there in the
text.
Nor is there a disowning of
Mary in the second chapter of St. John’s Gospel. The words that Mr. Anderson takes as a
disowning, the English of which can unfortunately come across as rude even
though it is not so in the original, are in the original Greek: Τί ἐμοὶ καὶ σοί, γύναι. A word for word literal rendition of this is
“What to me and to you, woman?” John
Calvin took this to be a rebuke, but does not go so far as to read a disowning
into it like Mr. Anderson does. He said
that it has the same force as the Latin Quid
tibi mecum, which, while not entirely wrong, is not the whole story. It is in fact a common idiom in Greek and
Hebrew – it occurs several times in the Old Testament - as well as Latin. Calvin likely had in mind the version of it
that appears a couple of times in Plautus’ Menaechmi. This is the play that inspired
Shakespeare’s A Comedy of Errors. It is about twins and mistaken
identities. The idiom, with the additional
words est rei (Latin is not quite as
economical with its words as Greek) has the meaning of “what business have I got
with you?” In the second scene of the
third act it is spoken by the one Menaechmus to Peniculus who had addressed him
thinking he was speaking to the Menaechmus he knew, the twin of the other. This illustrates the sort of situation, or at
least a farcical version of the sort of situation, in which this idiom is used
as a rebuke. As a rebuke, it is
generally addressed to someone who you don’t know or don’t know very well who
has been unduly intrusive. This doesn’t
fit the context of John 2 at all, making it really strange that John Calvin
seemed to think this was the use in play here. The meaning that does fit here
is “what does that have to do with me?” and in fact in this case it means “What
does that have to do with us?” Spoken
in response to Mary’s having told Him that the wedding party had run out of
wine, it means “why is that our
concern?” They were not, in other words,
the hosts of the event, and were not responsible for the wine supply. Note that neither this point, nor His hour
not yet having come – a reference to His public ministry not having started yet
– prevent Him from actually rectifying the situation, nor do they prevent Mary
from understanding that He would do so as evinced by her instructions to the
servants in the following verse. Both
her and His actions would be inexplicably odd if His words had the meaning Mr. Anderson
reads into them.
As for the final reference from the nineteenth chapter of
St. John’s Gospel, Mr. Anderson’s interpretation of the passage is literally
the opposite of how it has been universally understood, that is to say, as the
loving expression of a dying Son concerned that His Mother be provided for and
asking a trusted and beloved friend to take care of her for Him. The universal understanding is the correct
one. The language used is the language of
adoption, not the language of disowning.
Here is Mr. Anderson: “and at the cross in John "man behold THY mother,
woman behold THY son" (i.e. you can have her if you want her, I disown her
for a 3rd time)”. Here by contrast is John Calvin: “The
Evangelist here mentions incidentally, that while Christ obeyed God the Father,
he did not fail to perform the duty which he owed, as a son, towards his mother…
Yet, if we attend to the time and place when these things happened, Christ's
affection for his mother was worthy of admiration.” Calvin’s is a far less tortured and much
more natural reading of this text. An
even more natural reading is to emphasize the affection over the duty.
It is one thing to say that we should not give to the
Blessed Virgin Mary the honour and worship due only to her Son Jesus Christ
Who, with the Father and Holy Ghost, is God.
All orthodox Christians should be able to agree on this. Even the Romanists are not likely to
disagree with it as worded, even if we Protestants suspect their practice to
sometimes be in violation of it. It is
another thing to hate Rome so much as to take the furthest possible position
from hers, even if it means disagreeing not just with Rome but with all the
ancient Churches, rejecting the right judgement of the universal Church that
Nestorius had committed heresy, and twisting and torturing the Scriptures
beyond recognition, in support of a claim, that Jesus disowned His Mother, that
contains within itself a blasphemous imputation of sin, specifically the
violation of the Fifth Commandment, to the sinless Saviour of the world and is
thus a worse heresy than that of Nestorius, who not wanting to ascribe too much
honour to the Blessed Virgin ended up dividing the Person of her Son, Who in His One Person is both fully God and fully Man.
It is okay to be a Protestant. When Rome says or does something that goes
against what the Scriptures teach, as faithful and orthodox Churches everywhere
have understood them to teach since the days of the Church Fathers, then you
can and should follow Scripture first, and the universal tradition second,
rather than Rome. The path of Hyper-Protestantism,
however, is one which if followed, leads into pits of error worse than the
errors of Rome. It is best to avoid it
at all costs.
Catholic means Pagan, estavlished by Constantine. Let all Catholics burn in hell with him.
ReplyDeleteYou filthy papists and your anti-trinitarian syllogism. Try these syllogisms: The Father is God and not born of Mary so Mary is not the "Mother of God." The Holy Spirit is God and not born of Mary so it is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost to call her "Mother of God." You deny not only the trinity but also the pre-existence of Christ and by saying she is mother not of his human nature only but of his divine natire, you make him a mere demigod whose divine and human nature both begin to exist at conception. Lord damn all who use this blasphemous title (as I know you will, and make their hell hotter for they deserve the worst) and cleanse the land of them and the atheists and calvinists their allies in blasphemy leaving only true Christians, and do it by thy divine might with a miracle. In Jesus' name Amen.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous' rhetoric is quite lamentable. Surely we can debate this issue without stooping to such.
ReplyDeleteNow it is manifest that Catholics do indeed view Mary as the mother of the entire Trinity when they say that if you pray to Mary you get better results than if you pray to the Father. Surely this shows that subconsciously they view her as having higher divinity than the Father. And this shows Nestorius was right for he predicted this result.
Also that Nestorius divided the person of Christ is absurd and is shown to be so by the next two councils which are both against the monophysites and monothelites. The reason Cyril accuses Nestorius of dividing Christ into two persons is clearly because Cyril was both a monophysite and monothelite. To a monophysite who taught the divine nature deified the human nature (so Cyril taught) such that there was no longer a human nature, it would be dividing Christ to keep the natures distinct as Nestorius and 20 years later Chalcedon do. To a monothelite like Cyril who believed Christ had only a divine will, saying Christ has both a divine and a human will would sound like saying he is two perons; so Nestorius was condemned for holding Chalcedonian orthodoxy 20 years prior.
ReplyDeleteThe top two comments are insane.
ReplyDeleteBecause the top two are a Catholic trying to pretend to be a Prot. Probably a Sedevacantist.
DeleteAnonymous contradicted itself attacking Constantine (hence Nicea) and yet caring so much about the Trinity at the same time.
ReplyDeleteWhat does "they went out to lay hold on him" mean if not "kidnapping"? If they were cops it might mean "arrest" but being private citizens it means "kidnapping." Now whatever other construction you try to put on it is the same as how pastors frequently claim calling your mother "woman" was magically respectful in that one society and time despite never being so anywhere or time else. Nay, he diaowned her. its as simple as that. Calling her a mere "woman" not ever his mother proves that. In fact the only time he calls her mother she is John's mother not his. The only alternate interpretation that has any validity is John McArthur's that he was speaking as God and telling her the mother/son relationship is over, but this about amounts to the same.
ReplyDeleteThat its a violation of the 5th commandment to disown your mother is not true if she molested you or something to that effect. Nor if you are the Messiah and she tries to have you kidnapped to stop your ministry. Jesus' disowning his abusive mother is no more a sin than the disciples rubbing the ears of corn or heads of grain on the sabbath or Jesus healing the paralytics on the sabbath.
ReplyDeleteIf he did not disown her, why is she never mentioned by Paul? Not by name, only as "made of a woman"---again that word woman not mother. To Paul she is just a "woman" as to Jesus she is just a "woman." Paul doesn't speak of any "Mother of God." It proves she was disowned. Nor Peter or John (and she is called John's mother, but even he doesn't assert that she is "Mother of God") nor Jude nor James. If we don't even have the name Mary in any epistle, and don't have "Mother of God", and don't even have woman except once in Paul, then she is not meant to be venerated. Catholic tradition can add that in 5 centuries later all it wants but only proves itself to be absurd and pagan by doing so. And how far it went with it also shows the first step was invented by pagans too.
If Paul began his epistles "Grace and peace to you from God the Father, our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Blessed Mother of God" we would know he was a Catholic, for a Catholic could not avoid mentioning her with the most glorious titles, but Paul ignores her altogether.
And if the gospels mentioned her under glorious titles rather than the name Mary, saying "And the Mother of God was outside desiring to speak to him" or "and the Queen of Heaven came ot the foot of the cross" then we would know that the Evangelists were Catholics. That they do not use these ludicrous titles proves the Catholic church is a usurper trying to pretend it is the church that wrote the New Testament.
Meticulously argued as usual.
ReplyDeleteThe detractors demonstrate the great danger of uber-Protestantism, and that is private interpretation. While Anonymous doesn't even try to make arguments, at least Mr. Anderson does, and he does attempt to back his conclusions with facts. His arguments could even convince a few people, as passionately as he proclaims them.
If the Scriptures are taken in a vacuum, disregarding universal tradition and established interpretations upheld across the ages of the Church, then very intelligent and well-meaning people can logically reach some very profane and damnable conclusions. For those who would privately interpret Scripture on the basis of their own understandings, when they reach a conclusion that contradicts just about every tradition of the Church throughout the ages, then maybe they ought to have a little bit of humility that this flash of brilliance that somehow evaded innumerable saints before them might just be mistaken and delusional, no?
Additionally, to whomever Anonymous is: while I do find your piss and vinegar to be rather entertaining, I do wonder if you are just evacuating some sort of blockage that would otherwise ache in your guts, or are you actually trying to persuade us to adopt... what view exactly?
ReplyDeleteObviously you dislike the Roman Catholics and make that very clear, but do you ever advise the poor and misguided people who lack your clarity for truth to show us how we might be spared destruction through the path that blesses you with knowledge and boldness?
Wrath and excoriation have their place, certainly, and they can be marvelous tools when used constructively. I ask you, Anonymous, that following your attacks, that you offer some helpful advice to all of the ignorant and wicked fools out there so that we might be improved according to your understanding. You won't persuade many of us, surely, but at least you'd maybe make us think.
In anonymous' defence, Catholics are inveterate in that they also call Mary Queen of Heaven, comediator, coredeemer, and pray for her to save them. It would be a waste of time to try to persuade them so just telling them they're going to hell makes sense. They know they are not at all Christian anyway since the Pope replaces Christ in their system and Mary replaces the Father. Even Eastern Orthoswho also pray for Mary to save them acknowledge that "Catholics convert people not to Christ but to their popes." Everything is about papal infallibility; its all politics, swearing fealty to the pope and the fake queen of heaven. Christ is left out. Except the bread they pretend is Christ. Christ gets to be a mere cracker while Mary and the Pope get married and rule heave. Lol.
Delete@Gary Salon: In effect, regarding Roman Catholics, in all too many cases, your assessment of their fallacies is sadly correct. They have elevated Mary and the pope into godhood. They are inveterate, true, in that their understanding of Christianity amounts to (at root, beneath all of the fancy formulas) upholding their personal identity and rationalizing that identity. It is a waste of time to persuade people when they are frozen in the amber of their entire identities.
DeleteBut the same obstinance, more or less, applies to the vast majority of everyone else who thinks he's figured it all out, especially if he has inherited his conclusions from a lifetime of instruction and experience. Such people are always a waste of time if the goal is to convince them into a different mindset. The very best of them, at least, are amiable to the discussion for the discussion's sake.
Where it gets interesting are those people whose circumstances of life have knocked them out of this amber, often violently or traumatically, and they have found themselves thinking outside of that former shell. This newfound state can lead to utter disaster or towards greater wisdom, and while they are persuadable, arguments made in a constructive attitude of patience and love may bear great fruit!
@Gary Salon: In fairness, sometimes inveterate people have been convinced out of brutally applied (even obnoxious) arguments, if their personalities can handle it. If life tells us anything, it's that the world is full of very different people who process life in very different ways.
DeleteIt's just that obnoxiousness doesn't work for the overwhelming majority, especially if the destination of the arguments aren't pointed out very well.
I'm Catholic. I am always amazed at the hatred some non-Catholic Christians occasionally express toward the Roman Catholic Church.
ReplyDeleteTo be Biblical about it, there in no point in discussing anything in regards to the Blessed Virgin Mary without referring to Luke 1.
There is only one Christian who was with Jesus at His conception, His Birth, His boyhood, His ministry, His Passion, His Death, His Resurrection, His Ascension and also received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. That's the Blessed Virgin Mary. By that reason alone is it preposterous to not view Mary as the most faithful and devoted Christian believer of not just Biblical times but of all time.
Given the disparaging remarks about Catholics in these comments, I feel fully justified in saying this to our separated Protestant brothers and sisters, reducing Mary to a suitcase made of flesh for fetus Jesus is an insult to Jesus and the Godhead.
I'm continually amazed at how hard hearted and hateful some Protestants can be toward the Mother of God.
I'm also going to give you a warning that you ought to reflect on. Mary is the Ark of the Covenant. What was a symbol in the Old Testament became living flesh in the new. As the Ark held the staff of Aaron, the bread that came down from Heaven and the law of God, the Ten Commandments, Mary held in her womb, the high priest and willing victim of our redemption, the one who came to fulfill the law of Moses and the Bread of eternal life come down from Heaven. In the Old Testament, the servant of Israel, reached out his hand to steady the Ark of the Covenant and was killed by an act of God because only a priest could touch the Ark of the Covenant. You should reflect on this, asking the Holy Spirit to guide you. If you like more evidence to meditate on, there is one gate by which only the priests were allowed to go in and out of to enter the temple. Ezekiel 44. Furthermore, for your edification, in Revelations 12, I'm sure you're all familiar with the woman clothed with the sun with a crown of 12 stars upon her head. Did you notice that right before John sees this woman, he sees the Ark of the Covenant Rev. 11:19 . I'll also remind you, St. John wasn't the one that divided Revelations into chapters and verse.
Also, my separated brothers and sisters, if we Christians are to be known by our love and if the peace of Jesus Christ rests in the hearts of those who follow him, that peace ought first to be exemplified among us. How could you expect those who have not believed, to believe, if you can not even speak of your own brethren without fury and condemnation? It is easy to criticize and hate that which you don't understand.
May His Holy Spirit come down upon you, guide you in all of your ways and His peace be made manifest in your hearts.
The ark was lost due to idolatry of worshipping it; and Mary is to be lost in the same way. Those that cling to Mary go to hell.
DeleteI would caution you against arrogating to yourself the role of Judge. The Last Judgement has not happened yet to my knowledge and I doubt John saw you seated upon the great white throne or that you have special insight into the books to be opened at that time. Kindly refrain from meddling in such matters and leave it to Jesus Christ our Lord who shall come again in glory to judge the quick and the dead.
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