tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3977100651062963844.post5937887458910879937..comments2024-03-16T11:33:57.107-05:00Comments on Throne, Altar, Liberty: When do we get to Stop Clapping?Gerry T. Nealhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12137796641408373451noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3977100651062963844.post-56807784738747576332016-07-24T20:19:35.121-05:002016-07-24T20:19:35.121-05:00What should be done with the Anglican Church of Ca...What should be done with the Anglican Church of Canada? <br /><br />When I heard that it was defeated it was honestly the first time that I really felt like I could say that I was proud to be a member of that church.<br /><br /><br />A part of me thinks I should just join the Anglican Church of North America - but they compromise on matters far more serious (divorce, WO) and it seems that outside of already established parishes there isn't much hope of getting a traditional liturgy. <br /><br />Looking at their proposed prayer texts is not impressing me - ugly, modern and in certain ways theologically suspect. Not much better than the BAS really.<br /><br /><br />What are faithful Anglican to do? I don't want to pull a Byfield or whatever - but I don't know what to do to help Anglicanism find itself again.Stephen Leacockhttp://leacockian.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3977100651062963844.post-62443082143148396412016-07-17T18:30:01.011-05:002016-07-17T18:30:01.011-05:00Cecil, that is a good point about how their belief...Cecil, that is a good point about how their beliefs do not stand up to serious questioning, and so they avoid any real discussion, i.e., where they can be put on the spot and do not dominate, like the plague.Gerry T. Nealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137796641408373451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3977100651062963844.post-80451524025031272552016-07-17T18:27:15.178-05:002016-07-17T18:27:15.178-05:00It is being called the "local option". ...It is being called the "local option". That the bishops are resorting to it indicates that they were determined at attaining their desired outcome no matter what. It will be interesting to see how the bishops who approve same-sex marriages in their dioceses prior to the second vote will handle the question of parishes within their dioceses that wish to opt out. Will they tolerate a "more local option"? When it was a matter of "blessings" rather than "marriage" - the distinction between which is not worth explaining as everyone knew the one was merely the stepping stone to the other - the dioceses that approved the blessings usually included very clear "conscience clauses". That was, for example, the case here in Rupert's Land. My understanding is that no such mechanism is in place for when the marriage canon changes, or, if there is, the dissenting bishops do not regard it as strong enough.<br /><br />The Orthodox, I think, are not going to face this problem unless it is pushed on them by the state, although I can think of one high-ranking Orthodox bishop, sadly here in Canada, who I suspect sympathizes with the apostates in my own church on this issue. The RCs will have to face this sooner than the Orthodox, and probably sooner than later what with the apostate they presently have as "pope". Sadly, a large chunk of "evangelicalism" seems to be going liberal on this issue as well.Gerry T. Nealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137796641408373451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3977100651062963844.post-88048184378324952282016-07-17T18:14:16.017-05:002016-07-17T18:14:16.017-05:00Indeed, it depends very much on the nature of the ...Indeed, it depends very much on the nature of the diversity. Imagine someone trying to sell a bottle of water with all sorts of toxic chemicals mixed in on the grounds of its being more diverse in composition than pure water.<br /><br />Thank you for your remarks. I am glad that my writings have been beneficial to you and hope that they will continue to be so in the future.Gerry T. Nealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137796641408373451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3977100651062963844.post-60294787778354410712016-07-17T18:07:27.299-05:002016-07-17T18:07:27.299-05:00Samson, I have been waiting for the established po...Samson, I have been waiting for the established political correctness to crack open in this country for years. It is possible, I suppose, that most people actually do believe this nonsense, but apart from millennials I don't think that is likely. When I was in high school, apart from a handful of extremely outspoken liberals - the kind we would call SJWs today - the general view of homosexuality and transsexualism was even more negative among the unbelievers than among Christians, who, after all, believed in hating the sin but loving the sinner. Few wanted to go through the hassle of arguing with the outspoken liberals however and so let them dominate the discussion of these matters. What we are seeing in the larger society now strikes me as the same thing on a much larger scale.Gerry T. Nealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137796641408373451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3977100651062963844.post-70032780810416969782016-07-17T16:55:37.938-05:002016-07-17T16:55:37.938-05:00Have you noticed how Canadians are so obsessed wit...Have you noticed how Canadians are so obsessed with Trudeau that they can not see Canada crashing down upon them.Soldiers from the past two world wars who died for our freedom must surely be rolling in their graves.Canadians are slowly being trained to the communist ideology and do not even realize it. As much as I do not like the Muslim religion. They are making the other religions in this country look pretty foolish as a country who has lost all direction. The sad thing is that our grandchildren will suffer greatly because of what the liberals have done today.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083314781056580993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3977100651062963844.post-75692497083640012782016-07-17T16:54:27.966-05:002016-07-17T16:54:27.966-05:00Have you noticed how Canadians are so obsessed wit...Have you noticed how Canadians are so obsessed with Trudeau that they can not see Canada crashing down upon them.Soldiers from the past two world wars who died for our freedom must surely be rolling in their graves.Canadians are slowly being trained to the communist ideology and do not even realize it. As much as I do not like the Muslim religion. They are making the other religions in this country look pretty foolish as a country who has lost all direction. The sad thing is that our grandchildren will suffer greatly because of what the liberals have done today.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083314781056580993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3977100651062963844.post-88104849989747545712016-07-17T12:13:05.728-05:002016-07-17T12:13:05.728-05:00How are the individual parishes allowed to make th...How are the individual parishes allowed to make their own call on performing these abominations? If so, what was the point of the vote?!<br /><br />I can say with almost certainty, if an Orthodox Church was found doing such a thing, it would be anathematized, declared absolutely heretical, and in many countries it would not surprise me if the faithful diligently burned it to the ground as a house of satan. Mark Citadelhttp://citadelfoundations.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3977100651062963844.post-72929231473490032572016-07-17T05:22:52.114-05:002016-07-17T05:22:52.114-05:00The concept of "diversity" doesn't h...The concept of "diversity" doesn't have a built-in value like, for instance, "reform". Whether diversity is preferable to homogeneity in any particular case, is always a matter of argument.<br /><br />I haven't posted here before, but wish to say now that I've learned a lot from the brilliant commentaries published on this blog. The writing is also of exceptional quality.James Chiltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06106349769502808210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3977100651062963844.post-59399016886102857542016-07-16T22:59:24.671-05:002016-07-16T22:59:24.671-05:00Indeed, you won't see it, and many people sinc...Indeed, you won't see it, and many people sincerely 'believe' these things......<br /><br />AS LONG as you ask no real questions. As long as they avoid a conversation with facts. As long as they don't have to answer.<br /><br />They are unconscious with these issues, in a trance.<br /><br />Indeed, its called a consensus trance.<br /><br /><br />But, once they do, and they can;t just spout shibboleths and move on.... things change.<br /><br />I can see it in my family-- everybody all agrees on these PC things, now don;t you dare talk about it at all. Ever.<br /><br />ITs a tenuous consensus based on keeping reality at bay. Ignoring it, actively. Reality is coming. cecilhenryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06295507329028875050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3977100651062963844.post-33721713579194267822016-07-16T20:46:43.135-05:002016-07-16T20:46:43.135-05:00As a fellow Canadian, I enjoy your blog immensely;...As a fellow Canadian, I enjoy your blog immensely; in fact I think I said, or meant to, that your previous post on Canada's Leftism being largely an import from the USA was the essay I've been wanting to write for a long time.<br /><br />I thought I was inured to most things, but I was <i>horrified</i> this past week to see would-be leaders of the Conservative Party(!), the party of Stephen Harper, marching in the homosexual pride parade. Either they feel they *have* to, or else they genuinely want to, and I can't say which of those is worse.<br /><br />The comparison between modern alphabet soup and the Soviet phenomenon of "don't stop clapping" is apt - except for one thing. Have you heard about the idea of the "preference cascade"? This is the supposed phenomenon where a crack in the politically-correct wall appears, and more people feel free to express their true (politically-incorrect) opinions, and pretty soon everyone realizes that everyone secretly holds the same politically-incorrect opinion.<br /><br />Well, I'm not so sure the preference cascade obtains in Canada. I've read that in the Soviet Union, everyone mouthed the proper platitudes without actually believing them, but I'm not so sure it's the same in Canada in [current year]. I fear that many, if not most, have really and truly gone over to supporting the alphabet soup. At least, if there's any sign, any hint, any whisper behind closed doors that people aren't REALLY on board, they're only SAYING they are... I don't see it in my daily life.Samson J.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3977100651062963844.post-19236040629785848312016-07-16T13:28:53.600-05:002016-07-16T13:28:53.600-05:00When it comes to ‘Diversity’—- “Don’t ever be the ...When it comes to ‘Diversity’—- “Don’t ever be the first to stop applauding.”<br /><br />The First rule of ‘Diversity’: Diversity means everyone MUST think alike about ‘Diversity’.<br /><br /> <br /><br />The Second Rule of ‘Diversity’: Nobody must EVER point out the First Rule of ‘Diversity’<br /><br /><br />Pavlov had a bell. Stalin had a bell. Liberty has a bell. And now everyone in the West has a bell around their necks. It is attached to a noose. The Bell demands that ‘Diversity is OUR strength!!!’ Even when it isn’t. Even if it means White Genocide. Even if NOBODY wants it.<br /> <br />When the Bell rings you had better applaud–or ELSE. This is NOT freedom. <br /><br />White Privilege contains the most insidiously Orwellian, genocidal, parasitic, and totalitarian motives of anything the most envious communist Comintern could have dreamed. Stalin would be proud! It is a term of tacit anti-white hate, meant to disparage a people and cast their accomplishments, history and identity as justified only if it serves others interests.<br /><br />What we have is a government and elite who wish to turn basic economic, social and cultural freedoms into privileges that will be controlled and allotted as they please based on their own political, ethnic or economic agenda. Free speech be damned — consider it a privilege. <br /><br />Keeping your earnings??? Consider it a privilege to be taken away if determined to be ‘unearned’. Freedom of association — and non-association — consider it a privilege a bureaucrat will dictate the terms on. Today’s privileges will justify tomorrow’s thefts — all in the name of equality of course. <br /><br />Equality of outcome – not freedom. Equality will be achieved when the envious run out of objects to covet, people to envy, status to seek and needs to satisfy. <br /><br />Meaning NEVER.<br /><br />Its the 'current' year? Remember the last time such rhetoric was pronounced proudly: 1789, 1917, 1966, '1984'.cecilhenryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06295507329028875050noreply@blogger.com